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1.    REVELATION
CHAPTER 10

10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed            ANOTHER ANGEL WITH SEVEN THUNDERS AND

with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as            A BOOK

it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot

upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

10:3

And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he

had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

10:4

And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about

to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up

those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.         SEVEN THUNDERS NOT REVEALED

10:5

And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth

lifted up his hand to heaven,

10:6

And swear by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created

heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things

that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that

there should be time no longer:                                              TIME SHOULD BE NO LONGER???

10:7

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall

begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath    THE MYSTERY OF GOD FINISHED????

declared to his servants the prophets.

 

These two events occur after 2069 and before October 2072. “The mystery of God should be finished” may refer to the God of Abraham revealing his complete identity and others who work with him. Or it may refer to a lifting of the veil between our conscious and subconscious minds. Both of these are supposed to occur during this century.

 

 

Answer:

From Tim McHyde https://escapeallthesethings.com/rapture-secrets/

 

On the contrary, the Bible states that this subject is a "mystery":

1 Corinthians 15:51 (HCSB)Listen! I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.

Revelation 10:7 (ESV)—but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets

 

 

 

 “Time should be no longer” leaves me without ideas. At this point we are moving into 4TH density gradually over a 100 year period. At some point, a critical collective consciousness will be reached and third density will go into potentiation leaving a collectively built 4th density world for 4th density entities. It is my understanding that 4th density entities experience the need for food and passage of time similar to 3rd density.

Any thoughts or information on these two concepts?

 

David Wilcock

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/articles/24-revelation-on-the-revelations

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/articles/23-revelation-on-the-revelations-part-ii

This reference to the ending of our current structure of time is remarkably similar to the statements made by the Mayans on this same issue. Also, the indication is that the veil of mystery shall be lifted from our eyes, and the aspects of knowledge once hidden in the secret orders will now become visible to all.

 

2.  Christian teaching diverges from what Jesus taught:

From Tim McHyde https://escapeallthesethings.com/mt-24-14-meaning/

 

Christianity

Jesus

Gospel?

Jesus died for our sins

"The Kingdom of God"

Why is good news?


?*

Help now from God
Rule with Christ
Eternal Life

Way to Salvation?

Believe in Jesus

"Keep the commandments"

Focus?

Worship of Jesus

Training believers in love and faith

Repentance?

Accept Jesus

"Bear fruit of repentance" / Change

Commission?

"Great Commission"
(Tell others about Jesus)

"Bear much fruit, shine your light"

Worship Focus?

Jesus

God, Our Father

Afterlife?

In Heaven

On Earth

Jesus?

Admired

Obeyed

* Note: Christianity summarizes the good news as "Christ came and died for your sins." But this forgets that people don't go around worrying "who is going to pay for my sins for when I die?" (At least not until they come into contact with Christianity telling them they're going to Hell for their sins.) No, people universally worry about getting what they need in life: food, drink, clothing, etc. (Mt 6:31). Therefore telling a person, "Good news! Christ paid for your sins" does not qualify as good news because it solves a problem they are not even aware of or worrying about. However, you can tell anyone, "Good news! There is a way to get God's help with all the things you need in life instead of trying to do it all on your own.

 

3. Birth of Christ 4 BC OR EARLIER or 3 BC

A reader wrote inàWhat about:

19 After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt

20 and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child’s life are dead.”

21 So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.

22 But when he heard that Archelaus, who ruled from 4BC to AD6, was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee,

23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: “He will be called a Nazarene.”

Matthew 2:19-23

From link above - Herod the Great was an Idumean and was made king of Palestine by the Romans in 37 BC and died in 4BC. He died aged 69 possibly of chronic kidney disease.

Reply: Please see birth of Christ recalculated for context. The following are excerptsà

B-3 The resident governor at the time (4 to 2BC) was Sentius Saturninus, and this fact is confirmed by Tertullian, a lawyer by profession, and a Christian apologist, who lived in the late 2nd century [In his Adv. Marcionem, IV, 7, he says, "There is historical proof that at this very time censuses had been taken in Judaea by Sentius Saturninus respecting the family and descent of Christ." And he dated the census taken at the time of Christ's birth as 3/2BC]

 

5.  u.  The oath of loyalty issued by Augustus in 3BC brought Joseph and Mary from Nazareth to their native city of Bethlehem.

1.    Mary normally would not have needed to go with Joseph, but since both were royal claimants, both had to appear in person and sign the document.

2.    All "royal claimants" would have especially been singled out to take the oath.

3.    Luke tells us that the reason why both Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem was because he was reckoned as belonging to the house of David, and of course, so was Mary (Lk.2:4).

b.    The census of 3BC is the only census after the one in 8BC, and most would consider 8BC as too late for the birth of Christ.

 

    II.          The Major Obstacle Against a 3/2BC Birth Date for Christ is the Long-Accepted 4BC Date for the Death of Herod (Herod Died After Christ's Birth).

                       A.          Josephus makes mention of a lunar eclipse which took place just before the death of Herod, and just before a springtime celebration of Passover (in March, 4BC, there was a partial eclipse).

                       B.          Lunar eclipses that were observable over Palestine in the period from 7 to 1BC were four: March 23, 5BC, a total eclipse; September 15, 5BC, a total eclipse; March 13, 4BC, a partial eclipse; January 10, 1BC, a total eclipse; for the other years in the time-frame, there were no lunar eclipses observable over Palestine [Solar and Lunar Eclipses of the Ancient Near East, by M. Kudlek and E. Mickler, 1971].

                       C.          The main reason historians have accepted the 13 March, 4BC eclipse as the one associated with Herod's death is due primarily to two things.

                                            1.          First, Josephus said Herod had a reign of 37 years from the time he was proclaimed king by the Romans (40BC) and 34 years from his capture of Jerusalem [37BC; Antiquities XVII, 190; War, I, 665]. This would actually date Herod's death as 3BC, but there were no eclipses of the Moon in that year, so it is assumed that Josephus reckoned parts of one year as a whole [Vermes and Millar in The History of the Jewish People in the Age of Jesus Christ, pg. 326, state "that Josephus reckons one year too many"; scholars, to accommodate the eclipse of 4BC, have been willing to count the 2 or 3 days of Nisan in 4BC as a whole year].

                                            2.          The second reason for placing Herod's death in 4BC is because the coins minted by Herod's three successors have their rules beginning in 4BC.

                       D.          The fact is, that the writings of Josephus are replete with contradictions [Dictionary of Christian Biography, 1882, pps. 449, 451, and 455, states: "Discrepancies are not wanting between statements in the Antiquities and others in the Jewish War, and even mistakes in regard to plain biblical facts...Josephus at times ontradicts his own statements...{There are} gross chronological inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the present text of Josephus"].

                       E.          Reasons have been presented to show that Jerusalem was captured in the latter part of 36BC, and this would make Herod's death from sometime in 2BC into the year 1BC.

                        F.          Coins which show Herod's successors reigning from 4BC can be explained based on the practice of awarding extra years of reign for a political objective.

                                            1.          Herod murdered his "royal wife" and "two sons" and acclaimed Archelaus, a son by a commoner, as his heir.

                                            2.          His sons who ruled in his place [Archelaus, Antipas, Philip) minted coins from 4BC that would connect them with the royal connection that Herod eliminated (this practice of antedating on the coins is well attested).

                      G.          The total eclipse of 9/10 January, 1BC, is the one which preceded Herod's death in that same year, and which best satisfies all that happened between the eclipse, Herod's death 18 days later (28 January, 1BC), his funeral, and the coming Passover (can't reasonably squeeze in all the events from the March, 4BC, eclipse).

 IV.          Unusual Astronomical Activity in the Years 3 to 2BC

                       A.          Most early Christian historians and chronologers who lived from the 2nd century onward put the birth of Christ after the eclipse of 4BC.

                       B.          Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Orosius, and Cassiodorus Senator said Christ's birth was in a year we now recognize as 3BC (the early chronologist, Julius Africanus, reckoned it in a period from 3 to 2BC).

                       C.          Tertullian, Hippolytus of Rome, Origen, the Chronicon Cyrianicum, Eusebius of Caesarea, John Chrysostom, Jerome, Hippolytus of Thebes, The Paschal Chronicle, Photius the Patriarch of Constantinople, the Greek historian Zonaras, Bar Hebraeus (who quoted Syrian, Armenian, and Greek sources), Epiphanius and the early Syrian chronological work, the Chronicon Edessenum, indicate the nativity was 2BC.